Why pick on Hard Right religious fundamentalist and fideistic beliefs?

To discourage irrational, intolerant religious extremism…

messages from Hard Right Christian supremacistsThe usual disclaimer: Traditional, respectful, tolerant, spiritually-principled flavors of Christianity and other religions are not the subject here.

Far-right religious nationalists should keep their religion to themselves if we are to hang on to what makes our country great, preserve the tradition of pluralism, and maintain the wise vision of our Founding Fathers. Rigid fundamentalism should remain in its place if we are to remain a people of tolerance and acceptance and if we truly prize religious freedom.

politicsLast but not least, the far right dominionism that has been infecting conservative politics for years ought to remain within the churches and the communities that desire it; extremism cannot be permitted to spread, take hold, and then — God forbid — send the United States careening down a path of horror.

It would be encouraging if humanity could learn from its mistakes, take lessons from history, and avoid the costly mistakes of book covers: religious fundamentalismreligious extremism — and especially, religious statehood.

A brand-new reader recently commented and asked Search for Truth the following:

At first glance, I assumed you were against religion until I read the About page. Is there a quick, simple acid test to determine whether or not you consider a particular religion (or religious group) to be extremist, fundamentalist, fideistic, or otherwise "less than ideal" so as to meet with your discouragement?

Search for Truth answer

Clever… Good one! We believe the "golden rule" applies here: That all respectful, tolerant religions should be respected and tolerated. IMHO, one of the best litmus tests I can think of at the moment might be the simple list of basic, universal spiritual principles: The practical guidelines, rules, suggestions, and practices agreed upon by virtually all religions. (That’s rather affirming, don’t you think?)

Accordingly, we believe the central role of Christianity — and religions & spiritual paths in general — is the delivery of a positive spiritual message of compassion leading to inner peace and unity, as opposed to any type of religious message designed to induce belief in fanciful, supernatural stories, beings, or events — which, by default, can only lead to division because the supernatural stories inevitably disagree!

Finally, it seems religious fundamentalism and similarly rigid worldviews contain too many inherent conflicts with universal spiritual principles to represent truth.

I have once again digressed… Back to the story:

One fine day on the way to the Nashville flea market, politics was the subject of discussion. After briefly attempting to explain the fanatical quest of a few squeaky dominionist wheels on the far, Hard Right (e.g., those radical religious supremacists who have declared war on secular society & wish to banish separation of church and state) — whose goal is to re-assert Christian control over the nation’s political and cultural institutions — Dale said:

A Bible-based society for the United States sounds OK to me. Besides, what’s wrong with a country that lives according to basic spiritual principles?

religionNeedless to say, Dale’s uninformed agreement with Christian nationalism and dominionism came as a total & complete shocker.

The description of Dale’s comment as uninformed was accurate, not derogatory. The fact is, Dale had never given one moment’s careful thought to the idea — to what it would mean for dominionism to take hold in the U.S. Dale never even considered what it might mean to so many peaceful, hard-working non-fundamentalist U.S. citizens, for our country to merge one group’s religious ideas into our national politics, scrap our long history of religious pluralism, and ultimately allow the new breed of Hard Right dominionist to define religion and spirituality for the rest of us….

Thanks, but no thanks. (No way!)

The writer of the heartfelt letter below was merely attempting to explain to Dale why it is not acceptable for the United States to adopt such rigid, divisive, controversial, intolerant views.

My dear fundamentalist friend,

inner peaceIt’s quite simple to point out exactly why we wholeheartedly discourage the beliefs (without condemning the believers) of extreme Hard Right religious fundamentalism and religious fideism. (Fideists are those who believe that science, philosophy, reason, and logic are enemies of religious faith, essentially claiming irrationality as a benefit!)

There are thousands of distinct, varying flavors of Christianity covering virtually every possible combination of religious and/or spiritual belief. Many Christians are labeled by the more conservative and devout as being liberal or moderate Christians, a large portion of whom cringe right along with Buddhists, New Thought adherents, the spiritual-but-not-religious, Perennial Philosophers, agnostics, and so on when they hear the extremist, divisive teachings of Hard Right Christian fundamentalism.

unity As hard-core supporters of religious freedom and pluralism, we believe it’s perfectly acceptable to hold virtually any religious beliefs one can imaginable –- as long as those religious beliefs and practices do not adversely affect the rest of us, just as I may freely practice and believe as I choose, as long as I do not trample upon the rights or the peace of others.

Unfortunately, that’s where modern, Hard Right Christian fundamentalism consistently crosses the line from peaceful to intrusive — or worse.

Perspective is everything: Revealed religions
There are a handful of "revealed religions"; the most popular are Christianity and Islam.

political debate related posterAccording to one of the fastest growing "revealed religions" in the world, those who believe Jesus was divine — and those who fail to follow the admonishments of the most recent prophet of God, Mohammad — are destined for eternal hellfire. (Of course, the religion is Islam.)

The Koran contains an approximately equal amount of "proof" or evidence that Muhammad is God’s true prophet as the Bible does to support Jesus as God’s literal son.

The following statement probably applies to those who:

  1. Practice and believe the same religion they were raised to believe as they grew from child to tween to teen to adult, AND
  2. Have not deeply contemplated or studied alternate worldviews, religions, or spiritual paths

In all likelihood, the most significant determinants as to which of these two popular "revealed" religions (Christianity & Islam) a given individual believes and follows are:

  1. Where one was born, and
  2. How one was raised

knowledge from reading free books onlineThat’s the bulk of it, for the non-curious types who studied only one religion. (Admittedly, we fail to grasp that mindset.)

If you are a Christian fundamentalist in the United States who has never seriously explored any religion or spiritual path apart from Christianity — the religion of your upbringing — then it’s rather clear that, had you been born in the Middle East, you would be a fundamentalist Muslim.

The reverse holds true for fundamentalist followers of Islam. (If you are a Muslim born and raised in Afghanistan who has never examined any other path, and you had instead been born in the United States to a Christian family, it’s virtually certain you’d be a Christian.)

x-ray of homer simpson's brain - knowledge from reading free books onlineRemaining true to the beliefs one was raised to embrace certainly does not make a person defective or dumb; in fact, it demonstrates some positive qualities — such as loyalty and perseverance.

Simply put, we as individuals have widely varying traits. What is right for one may not be right for another. Circumstances that cause intense curiosity in some of us might not even warrant a second glance — much less, closer investigation — by others. And this is a crucial point when it comes to the HOWs and the WHYs of our religious choices.

If you aren’t naturally prone to exploring underlying causes, applying critical thought, or exercising a reasonable degree of skepticism, then it may be completely natural for you to remain devoted to the beliefs of your culture, your peer group, your family, and your friends. Again, I stress that this is acceptable… for those "built" that way.

For others — this blogger, for instance — the failure to deeply explore world religion and spirituality is almost unthinkable.

Resources: Why pick on Hard Right fundamentalist and fideist religious beliefs?

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(Objectively speaking, there’s rather little hard evidence on either side).

Obviously, there’s no need to get our approval for a set of religious views!

Book: Away With All Gods!

Unchaining the Mind and Radically Changing the World

Away with All Gods, book coverA frank and challenging book by Bob Avakian

Reminder: The contributors to the Search for Truth blog have varying positions and beliefs. Search is a place where discussion of controversial subjects such as religious fundamentalism from all angles is encouraged in an ongoing effort to locate any nuggets of truth that may lie therein.

Is believing in gods actually harmful? How has Christianity for centuries served as an ideology of conquest and subjugation? Why is the "Bible Belt" in the U.S. also the "lynching belt"? Why is there a rise of religious fundamentalism throughout the world? In the intensifying conflict between U.S. imperialism and Islamic fundamentalism, is the only choice to take one side or the other? Why is patriarchy and the oppression of women foundational to so many religions? Can people be good without god? These are just some of the questions explored in this provocative work by Bob Avakian.

Bringing a unique… voice to the current discourse about god, atheism, and morality, Avakian demystifies religious belief and examines how, even in its most progressive interpretations, religion stands in the way of the emancipation of humanity. A thread deeply woven throughout Away With All Gods! is the need to fully rupture with all forms of superstition, and to take up instead a truly scientific approach to understanding and transforming reality.

Whether you believe in god, or are an agnostic or an atheist, Bob Avakian will challenge you with his powerful critique of long-established traditions and his liberating vision of a radically different world.

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Resources: Away With All Gods!

Suggested by Tom K.

Letter from God

Date: Eternity
From: God
To: My Children on Earth
Re: Idiotic religious rivalries

My Dear Children (and believe me, that’s all of you),

I consider myself a pretty patient Guy. I mean, look at the Grand Canyon. It took millions of years to get it right. And how about evolution? Boy, nothing is slower than designing that whole Darwinian thing to take place, cell by cell and gene by gene. I’ve even been patient through your fashions, civilizations, wars and schemes, and the countless ways you take Me for granted until you get yourselves into big trouble again and again.

But… some things… are starting to tick me off.

First of all, your religious rivalries are driving Me up a wall. Enough already! Let’s get one thing straight: These are your religions, not Mine. I’m the Whole Enchilada; I’m beyond them all. Every one of your religions claims there’s only one of Me (which, by the way, is absolutely true). But in the very next breath, each religion claims it’s My favorite one. And each claims its bible was written personally by me, and that all the other bibles are man-made. Oh, Me. How do I even begin to put a stop to such complicated nonsense?

Okay, listen up now: I’m your Father and Mother, and I don’t play favorites among My Children. Also, I hate to break it to you, but I don’t write. My longhand is awful, and I’ve always been more of a “doer” anyway. So all your books, including the bibles, were written by men and women. They were inspired, remarkable people, but they also made mistakes here and there. I made sure of that, so that you would never trust a written word more than your own living Heart.

You see, one Human Being to me — even a Bum on the street — is worth more than all the holy books in the world. That’s just the kind of Guy I Am. My Spirit is not an historical thing, It’s alive right here, right now, as fresh as your next breath.

Holy books and religious rites are sacred and powerful, but not more so than the least of You. They were only meant to steer you in the right direction, not to keep you arguing with each other, and certainly not to keep you from trusting your own personal connection with Me.

Which brings Me to My next point about your nonsense: You act like I need you and your religions to stick up for Me or “win souls” for My Sake. Please, don’t do Me any favors. I can stand quite well on my own, thank you. I don’t need you to defend Me, and I don’t need constant credit. I just want you to be good to each other.

And another thing: I don’t get all worked up over money or politics, so stop dragging My name into your dramas. For example, I swear to Me that I never threatened Oral Roberts. I never rode in any of Rajneesh’s Rolls Royces. I never told Pat Robertson [or George Bush] to run for president, and I’ve never ever had a conversation with Jim Bakker, Jerry Falwell, or Jimmy Swaggart! Of course, come Judgement Day, I certainly intend to…

The thing is, I want you to stop thinking of religion as some sort of loyalty pledge to Me. The true purpose of your religions is so that you can become more aware of Me, not the other way around. Believe Me, I know you already. I know what’s in each of your hearts, and I love you with no strings attached. Lighten up and enjoy Me. That’s what religion is best for.

What you seem to forget is how mysterious I Am. You look at the petty little differences in your scriptures and say, “Well, if this is the Truth, then that can’t be!” But instead of trying to figure out My Paradoxes and Unfathomable Nature — which, by the way, you never willwhy not open your hearts to the simple common threads in every religion?

You know what I’m talking about: Love and respect everyone. Be kind. Even when life is scary or confusing, take courage and be of good cheer, for I Am always with you. Learn how to be quiet, so you can hear My Still, Small Voice (I don’t like to shout). Leave the world a better place by living your life with dignity and gracefulness, for you are My Own Child. Hold back nothing from life, for the parts of you that can die will surely die, and the parts that can’t, won’t. So don’t worry, be happy (I stole that last line from Bobby McFerrin, but he stole it from Meher Baba in the first place.)

Simple stuff. Why do you keep making it so complicated? It’s like you’re always looking for an excuse to be upset. And I’m very tired of being your main excuse. Do you think I care whether you call me Yahweh, Jehovah, Allah, Wakantonka, Brahma, Father, Mother, or even The Void or Nirvana? Do you think I care which of My Special Children you feel closest to — Jesus, Mary, Buddha, Krishna, Mohammed or any of the others? You can call Me and My Special Ones any name you choose, if only you would go about My business of loving one another as I love you. How can you keep neglecting something so simple?

I’m not telling you to abandon your religions. Enjoy your religions, honor them, learn from them, just as you should enjoy, honor, and learn from your parents. But do you walk around telling everyone that your parents are better than theirs? Your religion, like your parents, may always have the most special place in your heart; I don’t mind that at all. And I don’t want you to combine all the Great Traditions into One Big Mess. Each religion is unique for a reason. Each has a unique style so that people can find the best path for themselves.

But My Special Children — the ones your religions revolve around — all live in the same place (My Heart) and they get along perfectly, I assure you. The clergy must stop creating a myth of sibling rivalry where there is none.

My Blessed Children of Earth, the world has grown too small for your pervasive religious bigotry and confusion. The whole planet is connected by air travel, satellite dishes, telephones, fax machines, rock concerts, diseases, and mutual needs and concerns. Get with the program! If you really want to help… then commit yourselves to figuring out how to feed your hungry, clothe your naked, protect your abused, and shelter your poor. And just as importantly, make your own everyday life a shining example of kindness and good humor. I’ve given you all the resources you need, if only you abandon your fear of each other and begin living, loving, and laughing together.

… I just want you to be happy, and I’ll sit in The Dark. I really Am, indeed, I swear, with you always. Always. Trust In Me.

Your One and Only,
GOD

Origin of the letter from God

I ran across this “letter from God” on a site with a nice collection of “silly and wise” quotes about religion. According to rudyh.org, the article was written for the Human Kindness Foundation newsletter around Christmas of 1989. It was then included in Bo Lozoff’s 1990 book, Just Another Spiritual Book.

I liked the letter from God, and since this letter has been included (while usually remaining uncredited) on so many websites, I thought I would include it here. I emphasized certain lines by making them bold.

I hope you enjoyed it – and as always, I wish you the very best in your search for inner peace and harmony. Remember the only two things we really have: the present moment and our relationships.

- your fellow seeker

Why anthropomorphize God (and other deities)?

One of the most interesting and curious things about man’s obsession with and development of religions is the anthropotheism (the application of human characteristics to deities) that seems to go hand-in-hand with many popular belief systems.

There’s nothing wrong with metaphor.

religious art - paintings of GodThere is absolutely nothing wrong with using anthropomorphic metaphors: humans apply human characteristics to many things in an attempt to better understand them, explain them, communicate about them, and so on. The wind "whispers" and "moans," our pets are our "children," and violent thunderstorms are "angry."

There has always been a strong temptation for man to anthropomorphize God and his many other deities — perhaps because man can’t pretend to understand a true source of all things, as such a force surely operates on a plane far higher than our own. It appears that the Bible God has been likewise anthropomorphized religious art: paintings of God– just like all the previous ones — in order to make the concept of the Bible God easier to understand. It is simpler to describe the Bible God by assigning human qualities to it.

In truth, man cannot know whether a deity actually has anything resembling what we would call "feelings"; however, we can and do surmise and posit on such subjects quite often. So, rather than spend hours in creative attempts to suppose what a true deity might be like, we use metaphors to describe it. It makes Bible God more like us. When we anthropomorphize a Universal Intelligence by writing and speaking of the possible Creative Force in human terms, we feel closer to the Source or the Tao or God than we otherwise would. It brings a seemingly limitless universal force down to our level.

The sole caveat is: Such metaphoric anthropomorphization should not be taken or interpreted as literal truth.

Metaphors are not reality.

religious art - paintings of GodWhen man begins to accept anthropomorphic metaphors as being literal truth or representing reality, it can lead to serious problems. For instance, some religious groups expect everyone else to adopt their interpretation and thus encourage others to fall victim to radical misinterpretation.

Folks who begin to accept those metaphors as being representative of literal truth, for whatever reason, begin to lose all sight of the original intentions of the teaching in the first place. The true message of spiritual living is lost in a soupy mess of dogmatism and fundamentalist constructions.

We gave Bible God hands, eyes, ears, feet, a heart, and so on. The idea of Bible God was molded into something that serves us. The Bible God is given desires for the things people want, like praise, children, gold, and jewels. Even heaven is described in the Bible as having streets of gold, despite the fact it could not be used for such a purpose; gold is a soft, malleable metal.

If you are beyond taking “streets of gold” literally, that’s certainly a step in the right direction. But how do you interpret all the other metaphors and anthropomorphization present throughout the Bible? Where do you draw the line?

Bible God as sexual being (male)?

religious art - paintings of GodWould a true universal creative force really be a "he"? What does it mean to be a male?

Being male means to possess male genes and sexual reproductive organs. When people choose to literalize their beliefs in anthropomorphic metaphors, then a supreme force is reduced to a superman-type character – complete with a DNA genotype and penis (which would be required, of course, for a deity to produce a literal physical child). Humanized deities are therefore subject to negative human emotions such as fear, jealousy, egotism, and the deep need to feel appreciated or be praised.

Gradually, from Old Testament times to New, the view of Bible God changed from a god of war, jealousy, fear, thunder, and lighting to a deity of love. Why hasn’t popular thinking about the Bible God changed accordingly?

Why do so many churches and other influential religious groups continue to place so much more importance on the divisive, supernatural aspects — the religious message — of the revealed religions rather than stressing the deeper, more practical, unifying spiritual message (to convey basic universal spiritual principles such as compassion, acceptance, tolerance, patience, etc.)? It’s rather amazing that so many people continue to think of the Bible God — e.g., the Source, the creative force, the Tao — as if it were a literal, testosterone-laden being?

IMHO, as the beliefs and traditions of mankind continue to evolve with the march of time, greater numbers/ percentages of people around the world will gradually adopt perspectives that are increasingly rational. There’s something to be said about the desire to align one’s deepest, most cherished beliefs with truth and reality — to the best of our ability, that is.

May we all move ever closer to unity and oneness, strive to practice & encourage respect, acceptance, and tolerance; actively engage in interfaith socialization and interspiritual contemplation; and deepen our friendships with a growing, eventually boundless variety of people from disparate cultures and divergent faiths.

Resources: Anthropomorphosis of God

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It is truly bizarre and unfortunate.

Noah’s ark & global flood are teaching stories, not historical or scientific fact

Noah's ark: Bible story, not to be interpreted literally, or as history, or science, or factThe Genesis story of Noah’s ark and the global flood is one of many great examples serving to demonstrate that the Bible should not be taken literally. This Old Testament account is one of my all-time favorite Bible stories due to the relevant issues and difficult questions it raises – and my own history of wondering how it could possibly have happened. (It couldn’t have happened as reported.)

NEW: Please be sure to participate in our poll: Do you believe this Bible story is literally true?

Questions of realistic, proper, and above all, truthful interpretation of such stories found in the Bible represented some of my earliest conundrums as a young tween Christian fundamentalist. This applies not only to stories found in the modern Christian Bible but also to accounts found in all the other revealed religious texts that were supposedly given by God to humankind (e.g., the Pentateuch, the Mormon scriptures, the Koran, etc.).

Noah's ark, global flood - only a myth, too many problems with realityThe truth is, not everyone is capable of being intellectually honest when it comes to consideration or discussion of these matters. Most religious fundamentalists, due to their upbringing and fear of a punishing God, are unwilling or unable to conduct objective research or apply critical thought to their literally translated religious beliefs. There’s an almost insurmountable level of fear: Fear of what other church members might think, fear of God’s judgment of their doubt, fear of being sent to Hell, fear of being wrong, fear that their personal religious beliefs are false, and on and on the list of fundamentalist fears goes.

Noah's ark, global flood - only a myth, too many problems with realityI completely understand that barrier of fundamentalist fear. I experienced the very same fear myself – and I carried that fear inside of me for many years. Being raised in conservative, fundamentalist churches almost always instills a level of fear that is quite effective in preventing the honest pursuit of truth, the application of serious and honest critical thought, and so on. Although I understand that fear, I no longer agree with it. These fears are the most important fears to conquer — that is, if one desires to live a free, happy, spiritually centered life and to align one’s beliefs more closely to reality and truth.

The undeniable truth about these kinds of fundamentalist Christian beliefs and stories can come only from a careful and serious examination of alternate scenarios, conflicting teachings – and must include consideration of a variety of philosophies, opinions, and worldviews. If you are afraid to examine these things, then you will remain transfixed by fear.

For obvious reasons, fundamentalist religious environments strongly discourage the serious questioning of their teachings.

Noah's ark, global flood - only a myth, too many problems with reality - strange creaturesBe sure to cast your vote below: How should we interpret the stories of Noah’s ark and the global flood?

This post barely scratches the surface concerning Noah’s ark and world flood issues; this short article is certainly not meant to be an exhaustive criticism of the belief in – or the literal interpretation of – these Bible stories. The Noah’s ark and global flood accounts in Genesis – purely myth and legend, clearly – already have wide coverage on the web by those representing both sides of the issue. (See the Resources section of this post.)

The questions posed below represent only a few of the many potentially problematic points concerning Noah’s ark and the world flood. I’ll never forget asking myself these and other questions as a curious, inquisitive young fundamentalist who yearned to know the truth – and these questions still serve as interesting food for thought for anyone who believes critical thought is important. (Hint: It is.)

Noah's ark, global flood - only a myth, too many problems with realityIt’s obvious from speaking with friends and relatives that many people, regardless of age, still ask themselves whether to take the Noah’s Ark and global flood – and many other Biblical accounts – at face value.

It seems clear that modern man is not meant to interpret the Bible in a literal sense – especially stories such as these which raise questions with few reasonable answers. The main reason is that the Source (or Mother Nature, God, universal intelligence, or whatever you prefer to call the true universal creative force) – should it “think” – would surely expect man to use natural, “God-given,” human qualities like intelligence, logic, reason, and so on – as well as scientific discovery – in the process of determining what to believe and what to consider parable, legend, poetry, or other types of storytelling. These truth-telling qualities, when used, show that much of the Bible was never meant for mankind to take literally.

In the absence of tools like logic and reason, how could a person possibly come to accept any views other than those taught during one’s upbringing? Without logic and reason, one would have no choice but to stick with whatever teachings one learned as a child – no matter how outrageous or ridiculous they may be in the face of intellectual honesty and science.

The truth is this: Honestly considered, deep critical thinking concerning only the plight of the elephants alone is more than enough to show that the story of Noah’s ark cannot be taken literally.

If you still believe the Old Testament story of Noah’s ark and the global flood represent actual history and are literally true, here are a few ark-related questions and comments for you to carefully & honestly consider.

I beg of you – please be as honest and objective as possible in your careful consideration and research of these matters.

Selected difficulties re: Noah’s ark/global flood story

This section deals primarily with some of the practical and logistical issues concerning the animals and the ark.

    Noah's ark, global flood - only a myth, too many problems with reality
  1. Why would a loving, perfect, inerrant God have the need to wipe out virtually all life on earth and start over in the first place?
  2. How did Noah collect animals from remote areas of the world, on separate continents, even across the globe from Noah’s location and the ark construction site? Did the animals somehow navigate to Noah’s position, or did the family travel all over the world to gather the creatures? For example, polar bears, koalas, Komodo Dragons, Galapagos Tortoises, anacondas, and thousands of other creatures would have had to travel incredible distances to make it to the ark… assuming these animals knew where to go in the first place. (Fundum-answer 1: All the animals that ever existed were living in the immediate area. Fundum-answer 2: It just worked out miraculously.)
  3. After being released on Mt. Arafat, how did these animals return to their respective parts of the world? For instance, how did the giant Galapagos Tortoises walk to the remote Galapagos Islands? Polar bears, koalas, Komodo Dragons, anacondas, and thousands of other creatures would have had to return to their respective areas of origin in order to survive – yet this was not physically possible in most cases.
  4. How were the carnivorous animals fed? Even if there were only a pair of lions and no other big cats or bears, they would have required hundreds of other animals to eat during the year on the boat.
  5. red-tailed hawk at Nashville's Radnor Lake

  6. How did marine life survive? Some depend on salt or fresh water, not a mixture of salt and fresh water.
  7. Where were all the supplies stored? The size of the ark was not nearly sufficient to hold all the required food, not to mention all the animals and their waste. For instance, elephants eat several hundred pounds of vegetation per day.
  8. What about the survival of millions of species of bugs, spiders, and microscopic organisms? If not carried on the ark, they would have been completely wiped out.
  9. We now know that dirt – moist earth itself – is comprised largely of living organisms so small and numerous they could not possibly have been carried on the ark.
  10. Barred owl at Nashville's Radnor Lake

  11. We’ve discovered many creatures that can survive only in extreme environments, such as within glaciers and other ice; next to superheated, underwater volcanic vents; in extremely salty or briny water; in highly acidic or alkaline environments; and the list goes on. Such creatures could not possibly have been saved on a boat.
  12. Why did Noah have to send a bird to determine what should have been clearly evident – that the floodwaters had abated?
  13. What did the herbivores eat after vacating the ark? All the plant life on earth was long dead, having been underwater for about one year.
  14. How did the whites, blacks, Chinese, Arabs, and all other human races evolve so quickly from the sole survivors of the flood? According to the genealogy found in the Bible, all races on earth sprang forth from the ark survivors in less than 5,000 years.
  15. Why was there talk of clean and unclean animals, when, at the time, the official rules regarding such had not even been handed down?
  16. The waste alone coming from all these animals would amount to hundreds of pounds per day, and scooping up all of this poop would have been a full-time job in itself. I wonder who had that job?
  17. Elephants eat about 150 pounds of fresh vegetation per day; therefore, the pair of elephants on Noah’s ark would have required around 63,000 pounds of fresh vegetation, hay, fruits and vegetables, etc. During the seven months or so (a very conservative estimate) the elephants were stuck on the ark, where did their food come from? How and where was all the food for all the animals collected and stored on the ark? Just this 63,000 pounds of elephant food would have taken up a large area.

There are also serious issues surrounding the quantity of wood required, the impossibly large size for a wooden ship, the availability of pitch or tar, the construction of all the animal cages,…

Radnor Lake animalsIn the interest of objectivity and fairness, this blog will always strive to provide the best publicly available resources, representing both sides of the issues at hand. For example, we are including (in the Resources sections below) links to sites that claim the story of Noah’s Ark is factual; that it’s supposed to be taken literally – despite how preposterous the assertion actually is.

Perhaps the saddest, most unfortunate aspect of all this is that so few hard right fundamentalist Christians even take pause to carefully, objectively, independently consider these matters in the first place. Those who are thoughtful, intelligent, and bold enough to apply critical thought to their religious beliefs and the related questions are often…

  1. Discouraged from discussing the notoriously difficult issues with assertions that such doubt is wrong, or will provoke God’s judgment – or even wrath!
  2. Encouraged not to take their doubts and questions seriously, noting a “weak faith” or some such…
  3. Given ridiculous, unbelievable, sloppily contrived, standard, and patently false "answer" to every difficult question…

… and often, all of the above – at least, that’s the way it was in the Brentwood churches and in the Nashville private Christian fundamentalist schools attended by me and my friends in the 1970s and 80s (centered on Church of Christ beliefs).

Inconsistencies, historical, and scientific problems with literal interpretation of Noah’s ark/ global flood stories

  • How can the Genesis account be considered factual when these stories are so obviously re-imaginings of so many competing stories and similar myths from other cultures and religions?
  • Flood Stories from Around the World – The dozens of flood stories and accounts shown here originated from world folklore, myth, culture, religions, etc. Flood stories, myths, and legends have been included in this list if (1) they are stories; (2) they are folklore, not historical accounts or fiction by a known author; and (3) they involve a flood – often a global deluge.
  • Arkaeology – Alan Towsey reviews The Discovery of Noah’s Ark by David Fasold
  • The whole silly Flood story – Creationists are probably more defensive about the Flood than any other part of their mythology. One indication of that is the fact that the seminal work of modern creationism (oxymoron) was called The Genesis Flood. The Flood story apparently required lots of explanation and justification if anyone were to take creationism seriously…
  • The depths of the oceans are incompatible with a global flood model
  • A Response to the Penny Setterfield-Fryman Global Flood Scenario – Creationists lack a coherent global flood model; a young-earth creationist named Penny Fryman-Setterfield has responded with a model…
  • That boat don’t float – Large floating wooden structures/boats invariably suffer fatal engineering flaws…
  • The Real Poop on the Global Flood – What were turtles doing coming ashore during the global flood, when there wasn’t supposed to be any land?
  • Dr. Marty Leipzig looks at the mathematics of Noah’s Flood
  • Noah’s Ark myth explained – The tantalising findings of a UK scientist published this month have revealed a possible explanation for the Noah’s Ark myth as well as compelling evidence global warming and a rise in sea level may have encouraged the development of farming and settled civilisation.
  • The Kiwi Question – Creationist arguments are so inane, they induce speechlessness, blank stares and can thus hardly be refuted!

Poll question: Noah’s ark, global flood


Do you believe the global flood and Noah's ark stories in Genesis are historically accurate, factual accounts?

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Resources: Noah’s ark

Noah’s ark is NOT a true story

Noah’s ark IS a true story

Still other opinions…

Noah’s ark references noted while searching for images

  1. This is the most recently updated portion of this post (April 17, 2012).
    Posts Tagged Noah’s Ark – End Times Revelations — More fundamentalist fantasy, supernatural drivel, and whatnot… For entertainment purposes only
  2. Noah’s Ark found? – Daily News
  3. Could Noah’s ark really have happened? – How Stuff Works – History section — The answer is "Not bloody likely."
  4. Noah’s Park: Kentucky ‘Ark Encounter’ Plans Full Scale Replica of Noah’s Ark — Why does this remind me of the creation museum (from Bill Maher’s documentary, Religulous)? Only in Kentucky…
  5. Noah’s ark, from the perspective of a dog
  6. Hong Kong Christens an Ark of Biblical Proportions – Wall Street Journal Online
  7. Noah’s Ark – Militant Atheist
  8. Noah…Where Are The Dinosaurs?: Full-Scale Noah’s Ark Replica To Be Built In Cincinnati – Geekologie
  9. Noah’s Ark pictures, paintings – Maritime Quest

Fantasy: Noah’s Ark discovered!

Noah in Islam, Noah in Judaism

Biblical inerrancy, Bible interpretation issues

Art, paintings of Noah’s ark

Although sometimes I’m in a hurry, I prefer to add images to my blog posts; it seems to make the page so much more interesting – certainly more aesthetically pleasing. As I was using Google Images to find art on the subject of Noah’s ark, I made a point to note some of the sites I found – please enjoy.

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I don’t think very many Christians interpret the Noah’s ark story literally anymore, but I’ll include it nonetheless, in case you happen to be one of them.

  • The Bible contradicts itself regarding whether or not any man has ever seen God.
  • Science, religion, and conspiracy theory:

    Interesting American beliefs, per the polls

    Executive summary: (provided in this case due to length) This post touches on more subjects than it should: opinion polls, a hopeful view of science and religion, the two main logical fallacies used or implied in opinion poll results, 9/11 conspiracy theory, poll results about American beliefs, relationship of IQ and education level to supernatural belief systems, beliefs about creationism and evolution, interpreting ambiguous poll questions, weighing the human soul, and quite a few resources on the web for all these subjects. I may soon break this post up into several smaller, more succinct and cohesive posts.

    We Americans seem to be utterly hooked on polls. Poll results can be boring, encouraging, discouraging, enthralling, or even shocking in some cases – particularly with regard to those subjects we regard with passion and zeal. Sure, polls get old and wear us out on occasion (most notably in politics, during an election cycle), but our interest always returns. Many of us find opinion polls about religion, science, belief, and spirituality to be among the most interesting of them all.

    Relationship of science and religion

    The relationship between science and religion is often considered to be tenuous and uneasy at best; however, I agree with those who view science and religion as a false dichotomy.

    The way I see it, truth is truth; and even though mankind has only just begun to discover truth, I believe this lively pair will eventually enjoy reconciliation. However, science and religion probably won’t enjoy real harmony until serious challenges to long-held beliefs are fully worked through and ultimately resolved. (Idealistic? Very.) Given that the age of science is still in its infancy, I have the feeling the marriage of science and religion is still a long ways off – but this doesn’t mean we shouldn’t make every effort to help them get along nicely.

    Polls and logical fallacies

    Poll results are, in a sense, a wide open door to the employment of logical fallacies (mistakes made in the process of human reasoning) – the argumentum ad populem fallacy in particular, and to a lesser extent, the appeal to authority. Spin masters are often paid incredible salaries for their ability to apply creativity to statistical reporting for the purpose of swaying the largely gullible populous in a certain direction by making a particular person, place, thing, event, etc. seem superior to the alternative choices.

    One should be wary of poll results and their interpretation; if the findings of a particular poll are truly important to you for any reason, be sure to ask the right questions and then frame the results in the appropriate context.

    Argumentum ad populem is the ultimate implied poll-related logical fallacy because it wants us to believe that X is true simply because Y (%), a certain number (or percentage) of people, believe it to be true. It never ceases to amaze, amuse, and sometimes frustrate me that some folks actually consider majority opinion (such as a given percentage of Americans who believe in that particular thing [X]) as being evidence that X is factual and true. Of course, as to the reality or truth of the point in question, it doesn’t matter how many people believe or disbelieve in X. It’s quite possible for 98% percent of Americans to wholeheartedly believe in a falsehood while 2% actually know the truth; in this sense, numbers and percentages are irrelevant. This commonplace error in reasoning goes by many names, including “appeal to the masses,” “appeal to belief,” “appeal to the people,” “appeal to the majority,” “authority of the many,” “argument by consensus,” “bandwagon fallacy,” “argumentum ad numerum,” etc.

    Another popular logical fallacy, often called the “argument from authority” or “appeal to authority” (I’m suddenly reminded of Eric Cartman) is also frequently used in attempts to spin poll results. It concludes X to be true because Y (e.g., a group of educated scientists, the Pope, Mom and Dad) believe X to be true. If the argument from authority sounds a lot like the aforementioned bandwagon fallacy, you’re right: both are fallacies of relevance (one of the many categories of reasoning errors). “Relevance” makes perfect sense; after all, who believes something and how many people believe something are completely irrelevant to how true that particular something might be.

    9/11 conspiracy theories

    Many Americans still believe that the U.S. played a role in 9/11.

    A 2006 poll taken by Scripps Howard along with Ohio University showed that over one third of the American public suspects that federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks, or otherwise took no action to stop the attacks in order to allow the U.S. to go to war. The most prominent theory is that the WTC collapses were the result of controlled demolitions (rather than structural weakening due to high heat from fire). Another prominent belief is that the Pentagon was hit by a missile launched by elements from inside the U.S. government, or that a commercial airliner was allowed to crash into the Pentagon due to a purposeful stand-down of the U.S. military. Various motives are often cited by conspiracy theorists which often include justifying the Afghanistan and Iraq invasions and strategic interests in the Middle East such as oil pipelines.

    Even well into into 2011, those old 9/11-related conspiracy theories seem to have remained the number one theorized conspiracy in the world, according to this Feb. 2011 list.

    According to the 2009 Harris Poll
    40% of American adults believe in creationism as per the Old Testament.
    45% believe in Darwin’s theory of evolution.
    60% of American adults believe that the devil actually exists.
    42% of Americans believe in ghosts.
    32% believe in UFOs.
    26% of American adults believe in astrology.
    23% believe in witches.
    20% believe in reincarnation, that they were once someone else.

    Education, IQ, and religious belief systems

    The degree of literal religious belief one holds – in small part, at least – depends upon one’s education level; there was found to be a very strong negative correlation between the level of education and paranormal beliefs. The more education one had received, the less likely the respondent was to hold a literal paranormal belief — such as in ghosts, or a real, existing evil force such as the devil, for instance. The lower the level of education of the respondent, the greater was the likelihood of paranormal and/or literal religious beliefs.

    Likewise, a strong negative correlation has likewise been shown in numerous comparisons of IQ and religious belief. This is not meant to be surprising, as this has been a standard trend in the kinds of polls that track this information as early as the 1920s. Likewise, religious readers should not feel slighted in the least: there are certainly quite a few intelligent religious folks – and plenty of slow atheists and freethinkers, to boot! Another reminder: using intelligence or education as evidence of a particular belief, while very interesting, is yet another fallacy of relevance when it comes down to proof.

    Evolution, creationism, and intelligent design

    It is interesting to note that most polls no longer seem to imply a strict choice between evolution and God; most questions concerning creationism and evolution now include a third option of intelligent design or God-guided evolution (in addition to the usual “don’t know” or “no opinion” answer). It is very interesting how quickly evolution has come to be accepted in some form by most people. Thankfully — as of 2005, at least — a respectable percentage of Americans would not be upset about whether creationism or evolution was taught at their children’s school; however, 30% of Americans at that time would be upset if only evolution were taught and creationism not. (One might wonder how this number is trending today; hopefully, an attitude of tolerance is gaining.)

    As previously stated, four out of ten American adults currently believe in strict creationism; that is, they believe that God created humans in their present form around 10,000 years ago. (Does that mean this group in general also rejects scientific dating methods and dinosaurs? Is this a fair assumption – anyone?)

    This number is slightly down from past years. Interestingly, among Republicans, the belief in strict creationism jumps from 40% all the way up to 60%! Such a large percentage of Republicans apparently subscribes to something akin to Young Earth Creationism: interesting. If this is accurate, then it serves as the primary explanation for the Bush administration’s lackluster (at best) attitude toward science.

    Thirty-eight percent (38%) of polled American adults now believe that God has been guiding an evolutionary process by which humans have developed from less advanced life forms over millions of years. Sixteen percent (16%) of American adults — up slightly from years past — believe in “secular evolution,” or that humans developed over millions of years without God’s involvement.

    In looking at the Gallup poll results over the years, it appears fewer and fewer people believe are willing to believe that God created man in man’s present form; conversely, the belief in secular evolution seems to be on a slow, gradual rise in the United States.

    (NOTE: Please see the references below for links to other articles, studies, and polls used in this post and other relevant, potentially worthwhile resources.)

    Interpreting poll questions

    One of my first questions regarding opinion polls (especially about supernatural beliefs and other loosely defined subjects) would be with regard to the precise meaning of the questions themselves, or the assumptions that should be used in the polling process. For example, exactly what does it mean to “believe in witches”? It could represent:

    • a belief that some people honestly subscribe to Wicca-like belief systems (very true) – or, quite differently, it could indicate
    • the belief that supernatural spells are successfully cast upon others by modern witches (highly dubious).

    These two interpretations of the exact same question are very different, and one must wonder whether the polling process takes this into account. If not, then it seems the poll results would be less meaningful -or perhaps devoid of meaning altogether.

    UFOs represent a fascinating subject. As far as opinion polling goes, though, what are the ground rules and base definitions that apply to questions about UFOs? Does “believing in UFOs” mean:

    1. Objects have been seen in the skies throughout history that could not be positively identified.
      True. This is perfectly believable and is certainly factual, as far as this author can tell – unless every single object ever seen in the sky by humans of all time has been positively identified! As certainly as I now live and breathe and write these words, at least one object seen in the sky throughout history was never positively identified and could thus be considered to be an unidentified flying object, or a UFO.
    2. Intelligent life (something akin to little green men, or perhaps the more recently popularized type of alien known as the Grays) has visited our planet using a method of travel far more technically advanced than our own.
      Dubious, or at least questionable (the Fermi paradox). Visitation of earth by such beings is a somewhat far-fetched notion according to many scientists, given that traveling the required distance is beyond all known technology, coupled with the probable extreme rarity of technologically advanced beings in the universe. FYI, I freely grant the existence of many other life forms throughout the massive universe, but intelligent life is another matter entirely.

    The two assumptions above are light years apart (pun phun). Such wildly varying understandings, viewpoints, assumptions, and interpretations in opinion polling probably makes answers to such questions virtually meaningless, at least in some cases. That said, the answers are also occasionally interesting!

    Weighing the human soul

    Do some people actually believe that proof of the soul lies in the weight difference of a body just before and after death? According to sillybeliefs.com, this is just an urban myth:

    [Jeanette] Wilson was claiming that scientists have weighed the human soul. The interviewer tried to get her to explain how a spiritual, immaterial soul that contains no mass, and therefore no weight, can be weighed. I don’t think Wilson even grasped the problem with her argument, merely stating that she didn’t understand the details, but that the scientists knew what they were doing. She couldn’t name the scientists, or when or where their experiments were carried out. In fact her belief that the soul has been weighed is an urban myth, and can be traced to a Dr. Duncan MacDougall of Haverhill, Massachusetts. He did attempt this in 1907, but his experiments were flawed and the results are not accepted. (http://www.sillybeliefs.com/wilson.html#heading-1b)

    (NOTE: Many more obscure beliefs can be found at sillybeliefs.com [“Scams and Delusions Exposed!”], based in New Zealand.)

    In its section about religious urban myths, snopes.com – the “Urban Legend Reference Pages” – addresses the issue of human soul-weighing and goes into great detail about the history of related experiments (making this notion more than just an urban myth). Apparently, the 2003 film 21 Grams was based on this belief.

    Much more to come

    The convergence of religion, spirituality, science, reason, logic, philosophy, history, et al — is simply too fascinating and important to ignore. I’ll be posting much more on related subjects here in the future.

    NOTE: This post was written on Wednesday, January 5, 2011, then updated and posted to this new blog (Search for truth at allisnow.com) on Thursday, March 10, 2011. This is the first post to this blog, which will serve as the home of my writings about religion, science, and spirituality until further notice. (I’m considering creating a separate blog at greenism.org to serve as the primary location for this subject matter.) Thanks for reading this. I have not publicized this blog yet, so I probably sent you this link. I would appreciate any comments, positive or negative. I appreciate your time and I hope you found this to be entertaining, interesting, or even enlightening to some degree.

    Resources

    Relationship between science and religion

    Opinion polls

    Logical fallacies

    Conspiracy theory

    Weighing the soul

    Polls about beliefs

    Intelligence, education, and supernatural beliefs